conda-forge core meeting 2022-03-09

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Attendees

Name	Initials	GitHub ID	Affiliation
Matthew Becker	MRB	beckermr	cf
Jaime R.Guerra	JRG	jaimergp	Quansight/cf
Filipe Fernandes	FF	ocefpaf	CF
Cheng H. Lee	CHL	chenghlee	Anaconda/cf
Dave Clements	DPC	tnabtaf	Anaconda
Jannis Leidel	JL	jezdez	Anaconda/cf
Wolf Vollprecht	WV		QuantStack
Katherine Kinnaman	KK	kathatherine	Anaconda
Chris Burr	CB
Isuru Fernando	IF	isuruf	CF/UIUC
Matti Picus	MP	mattip	Quansight/PyPy
Marius van Niekerk	MvN	mariusvniekerk	Voltron Data

20 people total

Agenda

Standing items

intros for new folks on the call
(FF) budget
- current approvals?
- Whenever updated numbers land, please screenshare and show the budget.
  - Link is in Keybase (numfocus_spreadsheets.txt)
open votes
2022 Outreachy / GSoC
- Community accepted
- Project proposals due Tuesday/Wednesday March 22 (Americas) / March 23 (Europe)
  - In addition to project propsal also need contribution tasks
  - And Channels for potential interns to communicate with us.
- Two projects
  - Grayskull and Friends, Jannis, and Marcelo (pyproject.toml support)
  - Doc, Matt and Katherine
- questions:
- todos:
  - Have people got time to support Grayskull work? (JL, DPC will follow up)

From previous meeting(s)

Your new() agenda items

(MRB) pybind11 ABI stuff
- pybind11 is "over pinned" in terms of compiler ABI compat according to the upstream devs
- we need to remove the compiler abi info from its internal version IDs
- conda-forge uses pybind11 in two ways:
  1. people use pybind11 w/ the optional pybind11-abi package
    - pybind11-abi helps folks ensure they have a consistent pybind11 ABI in their env
    - it goes in host with pybind11 and has a run export
  2. people use pybind11 without the pybind11-abi package
- So my question is for which of the two cases above do we want to remove the compiler abi info?
  - certainly case 1
  - I don't see why we wouldn't for case 2
  - Should we be concerned about shipping a patched version of pybind11 relative to upstream? Is that a reason to only do case 1.
- todo (all MRB)
  - patch compiler activation scripts to append to flags instead of override
    - ^ this has other dangers in terms of not sanitizing the CXXFLAGS
  - patch pybind11-abi to remove compiler dep on abi
  - rebuild packages that depend on pybind11-abi
(JRG) conda-feedstock tests and package size
(JL/JRG) conda 4.12.0
- https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-feedstock/pull/161
- https://github.com/AnacondaRecipes/conda-feedstock/pull/5
- currently blocked on defaults packaging the many new dependencies for libmambapy
- changelog: https://github.com/conda/conda/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#4120-2022-03-08
(MP) Starting the PyPy 3.8 migration and merging https://github.com/conda-forge/pypy3.6-feedstock/pull/73
- todo:
  - one migrator for pyp38 and pypy39, depends on python310, will need to do menuinst+ conda + downstreams by hand
  - IF will upload aarch64 and ppc64 builds of the pypy3.6-feedstock (which is misnamed, it builds 3.8 and 3.9) since the CI does not build them, together with the build logs
(JRG) conda has menuinst + pywin32 deps on windows, but that's only used in base
- We should be able to remove the hard dep from conda
- And then, add it explicitly in miniforge / miniconda (need to sync with Anaconda)
(MRB) Travis disabled in conda-smithy for common platforms
- (IF) Add to conda-forge-ci-setup too

Active votes

CFEPs

cfep-12 Removing packages that violate the terms of the source package
- Stalled since May 26, 2020
- Active debate about moving to "broken" vs deleting from conda-forge channel
- Active vote, ends on 2020-03-11
- What were the results of the vote?
- Did we hear back from NumFOCUS? they did the legal seminar which is recorded

TODOs

2022-01-12

review Qt PR after logs are uploaded
Add cupython and cuquantum to don't mirror list
re: std=c++14, Wait for Kai to comment and merge the PR
CJ and Jaime coordinate to Let Maxiconda know that we can't use their logo 2021-12-01
WV: Set up meet-and-greet call with homebrew team?
MRB: (repodata patches) make a cron job that runs show_diff.py and posts an issue + commit if it is non-empty

2021-11-03

Self-hosting CI TODOs:
- Change URL from drone.conda-forge.org. Proposals:
  - woodpecker.conda-forge.org
  - ci.conda-forge.org
- Set up monitoring
  - Quantstack is setting up grafana for the mirror

2021-10-18

2021-09-22

(WV): TensorFlow-GPU ready to go, just need to decide if GPU should get prio over CPU?!
- GPU gets prio
(MRB) master to main move (https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/issues/1162)
- everything done except feedstocks, releases, conda-smithy, and our github actions
  - releases is broken, opened an issue with github
- some options for feedstocks
  - make sure to change the upload on branch key
- (MRB) make an announcement on how to update local clones (moved to the issue above)
- (MRB) make sure to update upload_on_branch (moved to the issue above)

2020-11-18

(IF/MRB/MV) intel oneAPI
- todo
  - (Nikolay) licensing for opencl_rt
  - (Nikolay) intelmpi ABI compat w/ mpich
  - (MRB/IF) figure out how exactly to package C/C++ compilers
  - (MRB/IF) think about fortran ABI
  - (MRB) make conda-forge compilers room (add people including keith)
(MB) asking core members to move to "emeritus" status
- TODO: Eric to set up quarterly check-in for all core members to see if they're interested in remaining "active" or if they want to move to emeritus
  - Remove emeritus folks from having access to various credentials (api tokens, twitter password, etc.)? This would require a change to the governance doc.

2020-11-11

TODO: Think about bringing in JOSS to provide context around how we might best write papers

2020-11-03

TODO: Check on Forrest Watters permissions for core
(FF) Outreachy would cost 6500 USD.
- Next steps: write abstract and vote on spending of funds.

2020-10-28 2020-10-21

(Marius?) Python 2.7 migration
- ( ) [ ] make a hint
- ( ) [ ] make an announcement
- ( ) [ ] make the hint a lint

2020-10-07

Make sure to add the NVBug info to the cudatoolkit package that conda-forge makes (if we make one)

2020-09-09

(ED) Update governance docs with similar voting model as what got put into conda-tools (+3 with no -1 is a pass)
(SC) Write jinja template to turn institutional partners yaml into a website https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/blob/2a2d3caaf7d74eb370ac40c679ba337a73d15c8a/src/inst_partners.yaml
(SC) Document what needs to be done to create an OVH account and get access

2020-08-26 Docker hub

(JK) Check in on Azure build workers to see if they have the docker hub limitation.
(JK) work with dockerhub to see if we can get OSS status
- Check in again at some point. We haven't heard back as of 2020-09-23

OVH

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