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2021-02-24 conda-forge core meeting

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Attendees​

Agenda​

Standing items​

  • intros for new folks on the call
    • Daniel Bast (Anaconda distro team)
  • (CJ) budget
    • current approvals?
      • None pending (as of 2021/2/10, CJ)
    • Whenever updated numbers land, please screenshare and show the budget.
      • Link is in Keybase (numfocus_spreadsheets.txt)
      • Jan 2021 P&L not posted yet (as of 2021/2/10, CJ)
  • open votes

From previous meeting(s)​

  • (ED) Any progress on CFEPs? I think we talked about this a few weeks ago but i dont remember the outcome (punted)
    • No new CFEPs or movement on CFEPS

Your new() agenda items​

  • (IF) Intel license agreement. (See email from Nikolay)
  • (IF) Google Season of Docs
    • Needs Admin (FF)
    • Needs PoC/knowledge wrangler (MRB)
  • (FF) Outreachy updates
    • Approved
    • May do docs, or code
  • (MRB) any updates from nvidia?
    • Mike started conversations with decision makers on NVIDIA side
    • Should hear sooner than later
  • (MRB) outside sponsoring of GPU queues
    • Have a gpu queue on azure, would need $$$
    • One potential sponsor for $500
    • Details in email
      • Will get onto core email list
    • Technical details?
      • conda-forge.yml changes
      • 6 hr build limit
      • public pool? purchasing vms?
    • Sustainability?
  • Core mailing list now supports external posts
    • But not external people viewing things
  • NumFOCUS asking for material for funding opportunties
  • (FF) Votes for Ryan May and Vinícius
    • TODO (MRB) [ ] do these votes
  • (MB) Perl directory layout PR review appreciated :) https://github.com/conda-forge/perl-feedstock/pull/49 * perl noarch packages -> noarch: generic * need migration for putting noarch: generic on things (that don't link to perl) * still need perl ABI migrations for compiled pkgs * only keep one perl version * perl6, perl7? perl7 should be the same as perl5, perl6 (aka raku) is independent lang * pre-req for porting bioconda perl pkgs to conda-forge

Pushed to next meeting​

Active votes​

Subteam updates​

Bot​

ARM​

POWER​

CUDA​

Docs​

staged-recipes​

website​

security+systems​

CI infrastructure​

Compiler upgrade​

CFEP updates​

Open PRs​

  • cfep-04 X11 and CDT policy

    • INACTIVE - Merge in with some inactive-esque status?
    • Needs new champion. Thanks for your work on this pkgw! Has unaddressed comments from pkgw as from Jan 10, 2020 Solved: Let's defer and keep the "mixed model" we have now.

  • cfep-06 Staged-recipes review lifecycle

    • INACTIVE - Merge in with some inactive-esque status?
    • Lingering comment from @saraedum. @jakirkham, can you reply? Has unadressed comment from @saraedum from Jan 8, 2020
    • (MRB) The stalebot has solved the worst of the issues here. I think we could defer this one permanently. Solved: defer in favor of the stale bot for now.

  • cfep-15 Feedstock statuses, unmaintained

    • INACTIVE - Merge in with some inactive-esque status?
    • Needs another review. Has unaddressed updates from pkgw as of Jan 11, 2020 Pending: re-pinged pkgw for a second review.

  • cfep-12 Removing packages that violate the terms of the source package

    • Stalled since May 26, 2020
    • Active debate about moving to "broken" vs deleting from conda-forge channel
    • Active vote, ends on 2020-03-11
    • What were the results of the vote?
    • Did we hear back from NumFOCUS? they did the legal seminar which is recorded

  • cfep-17 Handling pin backports and dependency rebuilds

    • Stalled debate about implementation details between Isuru, CJ and Matt
    • UPDATE 2020-07-22: We in principle have agreement to render the extra pinnings needed directly in the feedstock on a temporary basis (i.e., until the migration has ended).

  • cfep-19 Pinning epochs

    • Stalled since July

  • cfep-20 Package split

    • No updates for ~1 month

Discussion​

Check in on previous action items​

Copy previous action items from last meeting agenda.

This meeting​

2021-02-10

Last meeting​

2021-01-27

2 meetings ago​

2021-01-06

Move to Issue Tracker​

2020-11-18

  • (IF/MRB/MV) intel oneAPI
    • todo
      • (Nikolay) licensing for opencl_rt
      • (Nikolay) intelmpi ABI compat w/ mpich
      • (MRB/IF) figure out how exactly to package C/C++ compilers
      • (MRB/IF) think about fortran ABI
      • (MRB) make conda-forge compilers room (add people including keith)
  • (MB) asking core members to move to "emeritus" status
    • TODO: Eric to set up quarterly check-in for all core members to see if they're interested in remaining "active" or if they want to move to emeritus
      • Remove emeritus folks from having access to various credentials (api tokens, twitter password, etc.)? This would require a change to the governance doc.

2020-11-11

  • TODO: Think about bringing in JOSS to provide context around how we might best write papers

2020-11-03

  • TODO: Check on Forrest Watters permissions for core
  • (FF) Outreachy would cost 6500 USD.
    • Next steps: write abstract and vote on spending of funds.

2020-10-28 2020-10-21

  • (Marius?) Python 2.7 migration
    • ( ) [ ] make a hint
    • ( ) [ ] make an announcement
    • ( ) [ ] make the hint a lint

2020-10-07

  • Make sure to add the NVBug info to the cudatoolkit package that conda-forge makes (if we make one)

2020-09-09

2020-08-26 Docker hub

  • (JK) Check in on Azure build workers to see if they have the docker hub limitation.
  • (JK) work with dockerhub to see if we can get OSS status
    • Check in again at some point. We haven't heard back as of 2020-09-23

OVH

  • Shout-out on twitter at some point. "Thanks forOVHCloud for providing a VM", etc. (maybe after we ship qt on windows with it?)

  • Figure out how to communicate breaking changes to users. Likely should open up an issue immediately for futher discussion. Ping @kkraus, plus capture notes from further up in these meeting notes

  • John K. will update the cuda toolkit feedstock on the git repo to note the NVBug link to the internal NVIDIA issue tracker

  • Jonathan will update docs to note that some non-exhaustive list of packages (like cuda-toolkit, MKL, etc.)

  • Jonathan will review this PR

  • (Kale) schedule conda working group

  • cfep-10 next steps: CJ to call a vote for feedback

  • cfep-06 next steps: Ask staged recipes team to champion this CFEP and move it forward

  • jakirkham & CJ-wright to sync on adding CUDA to the migration bot

  • (Eric) Scheduling Anaconda <-> conda-forge sync on anaconda.org requirements gathering

    • Will try and get this scheduled in the next month.

  • (Anthony) Reach out to NumFocus to figure out legal ramifications of not including licenses in files.

  • (Eric) check internally for funding levels for hotels & flying folks from the community in?

  • (Eric) Figure out finances of conda-forge to support themselves?

  • (jjhelmus) Open up CFEP for which python's we're going to support

  • (jakirkham) write a blog post on CUDA stuff we discussed today

  • (jakirkham) update docs on how to add CUDA support to feedstocks

  • (jakirkham) will open an issue on conda-smithy to investigate Drone issues. (ping the aarch team)

  • (ED) Who we are page? Some combination of a FAQ and a who is everyone. FAQ things like:

    • who's the POC for CF <> Anaconda, CF <> NumFocus, CF <> Azure
    • who's the POC for the various subteams?
    • Informal information: roles, day jobs, bios, the whole nine yards, why you're here, etc.
    • Public or internal? I don't really care either way. Anyone feel strongly one way or the other?
    • opt-in to public bios
    • software carpentry has a large number of instructors and has https://carpentries.org/instructors
    • some concern about "yet another place to keep stuff up to date"

  • (ED) document strategies for reproducible environments using conda-forge

  • (UK) Static libraries stuff

    • Add linting hints to builds to find them
    • Recommend how to package them -> CFEP-18
    • We should write docs saying we don't provide support and this is a bad idea. -> CFEP-18